i love brenda song.
i think she is gorgeous. naturally she doesnt even wear much make up.
shes not annoying and she is actually talented.
instead of those stupid tween celebrities that come out of disney like selena, demi and miley i think brenda should get some attention too.
what do you think of her?
i actually saw her in the vip section of the jonas brothers irvine concert
she was like a foot away from me, she was so pretty and so nice.
she signed autogrphs and took pictures with fans while another celeb (SELEA GOMEZ) ignored the fans and talked to her stupid boyfriend the whole time. biitchh!
yeah she is such a nice actress
in "sweet life of zack and cody, she looks so cute"
and her real personality is sooo nice and kind!!!!!
she is lovely
yup
I think she's great too. She's a wonderful actress, but I brenda songhonestly do think that she should be given an exceptional role outside of Disney Channel. I personally disagree with you about Demi, Selena, and Miley, though. They all have some great talent, but they shouldn't be as "big" as they are, because Brenda Song has been around for longer and it's time for her to get some credit for her work!
I totally agree.
she's really good at acting in Suit Life of Zack And Cody.
I love her <3
thats why im getting my hair styled like hers before school starts x]
but demi does have talent shes
super good at acting and singing...
idk about selena she has acting but not sure
about singing
miley cyrus does have singing,dancing,and acting.
sure shes made a few mistakes but oh well everyone does.
"everybody makes mistakes everybody has those days!"
i luv miley i met her in hollywood and shes really nice.
but idk vanessa hudgens doesnt have anything idk why they choosed brenda songher for hsm
I think Brenda is amazing. She is really good at acting and she's not ever going to do stupind things like Vanessa Hudgens and Miley Cyrus did. She's a really good actor and she cares about people. I think she should get more attention.
Yeah out of all the Disney actors, I actually find Brenda Song to be more pure and nice.
She seems not corrupt by money or by being famous, like many other Disney actors.
Brenda Song just seems to be way more humble then alot of here Disney peers.
selena and demi actually have talent
and i agree with U brenda song is all of the above
i agree,
but i think alyson stoner is the best disney star.
other than the jonas brothers.
I think that she is pretty! She should get more attention, like Alyson Stoner!
shes nice and pretty :D
i totally agree 100%
I think she's pretty cool even though I've never really met her before.
Wednesday, January 11, 2012
why we loveWhy love should be selfless when we need to love ourselves too?
Do you have to be more careless for the self to start loving more selflessly?
Thank You for thoughts on this..!
I wish you all well..!!
There's a story, probably apocryphal, that says that the Inuits have somewhere from 7 to 15 words for snow. I wonder how many words there are for love. The point is that just as there are different words describing different kinds of snow, so there should be different words describing different kinds of love. I agree with Julia: I don't believe in self you have as yet been given.
Small))))))) too..!!
Immaculate purity, extraordinary forbearance, selfless service, unconditional love, where ever it is wisdom, and spiritual illumination sure to be. True love ends in selfless love.........
Even we need to love ourselves too. It turns in to divine love. The Eternal love!!!
Eternal, Eternal, Eternal !!! The Eternal love !!!
Divine Love embraces the whole universe, and, without clinging to any part, yet contains within itself the whole, and he who comes to it by gradually purifying and broadening his human loves until all the selfish and impure elements are burnt out of them, ceases from suffering.
It is because human loves are narrow and confined and mingled with selfishness that they cause suffering. No suffering can result from that Love which is so absolutely pure that it seeks nothing for itself. Nevertheless, human loves are absolutely necessary as steps towwhy we loveard the Divine, and no soul is prepared to partake of Divine Love until it has become capable of the deepest and most intense human love. It is only by passing through human loves and human sufferings that Divine Love is reached and realized.
And that Divine Image (the real inner self) is revealed and realized as stainless, selfless Love.
Hidden deep in every human heart, though frequently covered up with a mass of hard and almost impenetrable accretions, is the spirit of Divine Love, whose holy and spotless essence is undying and eternal.
Eternal, Eternal, Eternal !!! The Eternal love !!!
It is the Truth in man; it is that which belongs to the Supreme: that which is real and immortal. All else changes and passes away; this alone is permanent and imperishable; and to realize this Love by ceaseless diligence in the practice of the highest righteousness, to live in it and to become fully conscious in it, is to enter into immortality here and now, is to become one with Truth, one with God, one with the central Heart of all things, and to know our own divine and eternal nature.
Eternal, Eternal, Eternal !!! The Eternal love !!!
To reach this Love, to understand and experience it, one must work with great persistency and diligence upon his heart and mind, must ever renew his patience and keep strong his faith, for there will be much to remove, much to accomplish before the Divine Image is revealed in all its glorious beauty.
Eternalwhy we love, Eternal, Eternal !!! The Eternal love !!! Selfless love !!!
This is a VERY important question to ask. You see....
The POINT of love is that the collective pursuit of self interest is more effective than the individual pursuit.
Love is collective selfishness rather than individual selfness.
Love is to act in the self interest of others,
NOT to cease acting on one's own self interest.
Love is the extension, rather than the dissolution of self.
True love of self should make us uplift and emancipate our self, which is best achieved through selfless and indiscriminate love. (Incidentally, selfless love is a spiritual feature and therefore, the romantic or relationship love directed at a particular individual or group can never be so spiritual as to be anything resembling selfless love!!)
i don't know
We should love ourselves before adding someone else in the picture.
We should not be selfish with love, but share.
can we love our selves and still love selflessly
yes we can love our selves selflessly
i don't "buy" this self love nonsense!
people need healthy self esteem, assertiveness skills and self acceptance
We can't love ourselves. If we could, we all would. It would be so much simpler.
I don't agree with being selfless. But Love should be unconditional.
Man can not be in love without self. Just like consciousness and body.
Thank You for thoughts on this..!
I wish you all well..!!
There's a story, probably apocryphal, that says that the Inuits have somewhere from 7 to 15 words for snow. I wonder how many words there are for love. The point is that just as there are different words describing different kinds of snow, so there should be different words describing different kinds of love. I agree with Julia: I don't believe in self you have as yet been given.
Small))))))) too..!!
Immaculate purity, extraordinary forbearance, selfless service, unconditional love, where ever it is wisdom, and spiritual illumination sure to be. True love ends in selfless love.........
Even we need to love ourselves too. It turns in to divine love. The Eternal love!!!
Eternal, Eternal, Eternal !!! The Eternal love !!!
Divine Love embraces the whole universe, and, without clinging to any part, yet contains within itself the whole, and he who comes to it by gradually purifying and broadening his human loves until all the selfish and impure elements are burnt out of them, ceases from suffering.
It is because human loves are narrow and confined and mingled with selfishness that they cause suffering. No suffering can result from that Love which is so absolutely pure that it seeks nothing for itself. Nevertheless, human loves are absolutely necessary as steps towwhy we loveard the Divine, and no soul is prepared to partake of Divine Love until it has become capable of the deepest and most intense human love. It is only by passing through human loves and human sufferings that Divine Love is reached and realized.
And that Divine Image (the real inner self) is revealed and realized as stainless, selfless Love.
Hidden deep in every human heart, though frequently covered up with a mass of hard and almost impenetrable accretions, is the spirit of Divine Love, whose holy and spotless essence is undying and eternal.
Eternal, Eternal, Eternal !!! The Eternal love !!!
It is the Truth in man; it is that which belongs to the Supreme: that which is real and immortal. All else changes and passes away; this alone is permanent and imperishable; and to realize this Love by ceaseless diligence in the practice of the highest righteousness, to live in it and to become fully conscious in it, is to enter into immortality here and now, is to become one with Truth, one with God, one with the central Heart of all things, and to know our own divine and eternal nature.
Eternal, Eternal, Eternal !!! The Eternal love !!!
To reach this Love, to understand and experience it, one must work with great persistency and diligence upon his heart and mind, must ever renew his patience and keep strong his faith, for there will be much to remove, much to accomplish before the Divine Image is revealed in all its glorious beauty.
Eternalwhy we love, Eternal, Eternal !!! The Eternal love !!! Selfless love !!!
This is a VERY important question to ask. You see....
The POINT of love is that the collective pursuit of self interest is more effective than the individual pursuit.
Love is collective selfishness rather than individual selfness.
Love is to act in the self interest of others,
NOT to cease acting on one's own self interest.
Love is the extension, rather than the dissolution of self.
True love of self should make us uplift and emancipate our self, which is best achieved through selfless and indiscriminate love. (Incidentally, selfless love is a spiritual feature and therefore, the romantic or relationship love directed at a particular individual or group can never be so spiritual as to be anything resembling selfless love!!)
i don't know
We should love ourselves before adding someone else in the picture.
We should not be selfish with love, but share.
can we love our selves and still love selflessly
yes we can love our selves selflessly
i don't "buy" this self love nonsense!
people need healthy self esteem, assertiveness skills and self acceptance
We can't love ourselves. If we could, we all would. It would be so much simpler.
I don't agree with being selfless. But Love should be unconditional.
Man can not be in love without self. Just like consciousness and body.
baby i can't wait songNew song!??? A new song on the radio with a female singer, I only know a couple of lines.?
Every time you see me coming you get down on your knees and pray, and every time I see you coming, I just can't wait to get away
And she uses the line "holler baby" quite a bit as baby i can't wait songwell. . . I have been trying to find it forever!!!!! I always miss the name of the song on the radio!
Maybe Hollaback Girl " Is that the name ? By Gwen Stefani ?
ella is right. =D baby i can't wait song
i duno reminds me of paramore
maybe it's called holler baby??
YOU SAY IT (IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE) By: THE ROYAL SOCIETY (Feat. Nikki Awesome)
And she uses the line "holler baby" quite a bit as baby i can't wait songwell. . . I have been trying to find it forever!!!!! I always miss the name of the song on the radio!
Maybe Hollaback Girl " Is that the name ? By Gwen Stefani ?
ella is right. =D baby i can't wait song
i duno reminds me of paramore
maybe it's called holler baby??
YOU SAY IT (IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE) By: THE ROYAL SOCIETY (Feat. Nikki Awesome)
do dogs have armpitsIs there supposed to be hair where dogs armpits would be?
My dog is about seven orneight years old. He alwYs had worn a harness when he was with his previous owners. Did he lose his hair from the harness or are not supposed to have under arm hair. He is a shiba inu and I don't know if this is normal for the breed or something.. Help???
short haired breeds likdo dogs have armpitse shibas(even tough she is a thick coated breed) have little or no arm pit hair. breeds with long hair that keeps on growing such as shih tzus and poodles will have pit hair. good question!
your welcome! =)
i would say the harness rubbed it.
some breeds havdo dogs have armpitse thin hair under and i think this is one of them.
I actually looked and NO. Mine have peach fuzz or nothing....LOL
He probably lost his hair from the harness because my dog has hair there. Shiba Inus are pretty furry. See if there is even a little bit there signalling that it is growing back.
short haired breeds likdo dogs have armpitse shibas(even tough she is a thick coated breed) have little or no arm pit hair. breeds with long hair that keeps on growing such as shih tzus and poodles will have pit hair. good question!
your welcome! =)
i would say the harness rubbed it.
some breeds havdo dogs have armpitse thin hair under and i think this is one of them.
I actually looked and NO. Mine have peach fuzz or nothing....LOL
He probably lost his hair from the harness because my dog has hair there. Shiba Inus are pretty furry. See if there is even a little bit there signalling that it is growing back.
music torrentsMusic Torrents?
What's the best site to download Music Torrents?
I listen to a lot of hardcore / hard house music.
Thank you in advance
In my country, downloading music isn't illegal.
I use for music torrentsall of my torrents.
I use
It works very well.
You can try it.
You can try using ARES, quite nice..
aresgalaxy.sourceforge.net
well for one its illegal and you wil get caught, and at thmusic torrentse same time, you computer will be filled with viruses so dont do it
Torrenting or downloading music in any way without paying is illegal. To download it buy it from a store, thief.
I listen to a lot of hardcore / hard house music.
Thank you in advance
In my country, downloading music isn't illegal.
I use for music torrentsall of my torrents.
I use
It works very well.
You can try it.
You can try using ARES, quite nice..
aresgalaxy.sourceforge.net
well for one its illegal and you wil get caught, and at thmusic torrentse same time, you computer will be filled with viruses so dont do it
Torrenting or downloading music in any way without paying is illegal. To download it buy it from a store, thief.
the unanswered question composerI need help with Music Appreciation?
I have to finish these tests before midnight tonight, so any help will be appreciated.
Exam 6: The Twentieth Century, Part 1
1. The Rite of Spring was composed by
A. Arnold Schoenberg.
B. Igor Stravinsky.
C. Heitor Villa-Lobos.
D. Alban Berg.
2. Jody says that atonal harmony establishes a harmonic center
of gravity. Sean says that atonal harmony doesn’t have a
harmonic center of gravity. Who is correct?
A. Only Jody is correct.
B. Only Sean is correct.
C. Both Jody and Sean are correct.
D. Neither Jody nor Sean is correct.
3. _______ music is written in two or more chords played
simultaneously.
A. Polytonal
B. Polyrhythmic
C. Polyphonic
D. Polychoral
4. The _______ style is an attempt to revive the approach used by composers in the latter
half of the eighteenth century.
A. Pre-romantic
B. New Baroque
C. Neo-classical
D. Post-modern
5. _______ is a singing technique that’s part speech and part song.
A. Sprechstimme
B. Walkurie
C. Klangfarben
D. Erlk?nig
6. Music that doesn’t center on a particular key is referred to as
A. intoned.
B. untoned.
C. nontonal.
D. atonal.
7. 摩登ism, a movement that represented an abolishment of tradition and a quest for
novelty, took place when?
A. Middle nineteenth century
B. Early twentieth centurythe unanswered question composer
C. Classical period
D. Early twenty-first century
8. Bebop is a style of
A. jazz.
B. pop.
C. fusion.
D. ragtime.
9. Ragtime composers often made use of
A. counterpoint.
B. inversion.
C. syncopation.
D. serialism.
10. _______ notes are produced by lowering the third, fifth, or seventh steps of
major scales.
A. Low
B. Falsetto
C. Minor
D. Blue
11. Roland says that Ruth Crawford Seeger was a modernist composer. Clive says that she
was a collector and arranger of American folksongs. Who is correct?
A. Only Roland is correct.
B. Only Clive is correct.
C. Both Roland and Clive are correct.
D. Neither Roland nor Clive is correct.
12. _______ used themes from popular songs and hymns in his orchestral works.
A. Scott Joplin
B. Charles Ives
C. Duke Ellington
D. Igor Stravinsky
13. Expressionist music is generally thought of as
A. happy.
B. extravagant.
C. probing.
D. bouncy.
14. Which of the following composers sought to obtain a nonpercussive sound from the
piano in his compositions?
A. Glass
B. Debussy
C. Ives
D. Ellington
15. Schoenberg’s 12-tone composition is based on a/an _______ scale.
A. minor
B. major
C. pentatonic
D. chromatic
1
6. The _______ were interested in the hypnotic quality of the repeated melodic
fragments anthe unanswered question composerd interlocked patterns created by the gamelan.
A. expressionists
B. impressionists
C. minimalists
D. neo-classicists
17. The smallest distance between two adjacent notes on a piano is a
A. whole note.
B. half step.
C. quarter note.
D. whole step.
18. In The Unanswered Question, the strings are played
A. as if they’re playing a slow hymn.
B. in unresolved dissonance.
C. fast and loud for shock value.
D. in constant competition with the brass.
19. The most common pattern of verses in blues songs is the
A. 12-bar pattern.
B. 6-bar pattern
C. 8-note pattern.
D. 28-note pattern.
20. Standard Song Form for popular hits of the 1920s and 1930s was
A. ABA.
B. AABB.
C. ABBA.
D. AABA.
I really appreciate your help.
Have a great day and God bless you!
How come if I take the test, you get the grade?
1. B Correct
2. B Correct
3. A Correct
4. C Correct
5. A Correct
6. D Correct
7. B Correct
8. A Correct
9. C Correct
10. D Correct
11. C Correct
12. B Correct
1. Stavinsky for sure 2, Sean is correct 4. B 5 . B 7.D 8 . B 9 c, 11. C 14 b 13 c 15 D
thats the best I can do but I think these are right.
Exam 6: The Twentieth Century, Part 1
1. The Rite of Spring was composed by
A. Arnold Schoenberg.
B. Igor Stravinsky.
C. Heitor Villa-Lobos.
D. Alban Berg.
2. Jody says that atonal harmony establishes a harmonic center
of gravity. Sean says that atonal harmony doesn’t have a
harmonic center of gravity. Who is correct?
A. Only Jody is correct.
B. Only Sean is correct.
C. Both Jody and Sean are correct.
D. Neither Jody nor Sean is correct.
3. _______ music is written in two or more chords played
simultaneously.
A. Polytonal
B. Polyrhythmic
C. Polyphonic
D. Polychoral
4. The _______ style is an attempt to revive the approach used by composers in the latter
half of the eighteenth century.
A. Pre-romantic
B. New Baroque
C. Neo-classical
D. Post-modern
5. _______ is a singing technique that’s part speech and part song.
A. Sprechstimme
B. Walkurie
C. Klangfarben
D. Erlk?nig
6. Music that doesn’t center on a particular key is referred to as
A. intoned.
B. untoned.
C. nontonal.
D. atonal.
7. 摩登ism, a movement that represented an abolishment of tradition and a quest for
novelty, took place when?
A. Middle nineteenth century
B. Early twentieth centurythe unanswered question composer
C. Classical period
D. Early twenty-first century
8. Bebop is a style of
A. jazz.
B. pop.
C. fusion.
D. ragtime.
9. Ragtime composers often made use of
A. counterpoint.
B. inversion.
C. syncopation.
D. serialism.
10. _______ notes are produced by lowering the third, fifth, or seventh steps of
major scales.
A. Low
B. Falsetto
C. Minor
D. Blue
11. Roland says that Ruth Crawford Seeger was a modernist composer. Clive says that she
was a collector and arranger of American folksongs. Who is correct?
A. Only Roland is correct.
B. Only Clive is correct.
C. Both Roland and Clive are correct.
D. Neither Roland nor Clive is correct.
12. _______ used themes from popular songs and hymns in his orchestral works.
A. Scott Joplin
B. Charles Ives
C. Duke Ellington
D. Igor Stravinsky
13. Expressionist music is generally thought of as
A. happy.
B. extravagant.
C. probing.
D. bouncy.
14. Which of the following composers sought to obtain a nonpercussive sound from the
piano in his compositions?
A. Glass
B. Debussy
C. Ives
D. Ellington
15. Schoenberg’s 12-tone composition is based on a/an _______ scale.
A. minor
B. major
C. pentatonic
D. chromatic
1
6. The _______ were interested in the hypnotic quality of the repeated melodic
fragments anthe unanswered question composerd interlocked patterns created by the gamelan.
A. expressionists
B. impressionists
C. minimalists
D. neo-classicists
17. The smallest distance between two adjacent notes on a piano is a
A. whole note.
B. half step.
C. quarter note.
D. whole step.
18. In The Unanswered Question, the strings are played
A. as if they’re playing a slow hymn.
B. in unresolved dissonance.
C. fast and loud for shock value.
D. in constant competition with the brass.
19. The most common pattern of verses in blues songs is the
A. 12-bar pattern.
B. 6-bar pattern
C. 8-note pattern.
D. 28-note pattern.
20. Standard Song Form for popular hits of the 1920s and 1930s was
A. ABA.
B. AABB.
C. ABBA.
D. AABA.
I really appreciate your help.
Have a great day and God bless you!
How come if I take the test, you get the grade?
1. B Correct
2. B Correct
3. A Correct
4. C Correct
5. A Correct
6. D Correct
7. B Correct
8. A Correct
9. C Correct
10. D Correct
11. C Correct
12. B Correct
1. Stavinsky for sure 2, Sean is correct 4. B 5 . B 7.D 8 . B 9 c, 11. C 14 b 13 c 15 D
thats the best I can do but I think these are right.
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short funny poems for kidsI need funny short poems for kids at camp!?
The kids can all have little messages for them everyday in their mailboxes, but I don't want them mushy because they will cry. Anyone have any?
Here are some sites. Hope they help!! Sounds fun!!!!
AV儿劣editAV儿劣
A few mshort funny poems for kidsore.
Best site ever! these poems are funny check it out
Red, Orange, Purple, and Blue
I like colors, don't you?
Pink, White, Gray, and Black
These colors are out of whack
Yellow, Magenta, Turqouise, and Green
All of these coloshort funny poems for kidsrs paint the scene!
check out "Where the Sidewalk Ends" by shel silverstien. its a book full of funny poems i used to read when i was a kid.
Check out a book by Shel Silverston....those are the best poems for kids....
Here are some sites. Hope they help!! Sounds fun!!!!
AV儿劣editAV儿劣
A few mshort funny poems for kidsore.
Best site ever! these poems are funny check it out
Red, Orange, Purple, and Blue
I like colors, don't you?
Pink, White, Gray, and Black
These colors are out of whack
Yellow, Magenta, Turqouise, and Green
All of these coloshort funny poems for kidsrs paint the scene!
check out "Where the Sidewalk Ends" by shel silverstien. its a book full of funny poems i used to read when i was a kid.
Check out a book by Shel Silverston....those are the best poems for kids....
patrick sharp girlfriend nhlIs Patrick Sharp married, or does he have a girlfriend.?
He is number 10 on the NHL Blackhawks team
Really? Patrick Sharp is a hockey player? Seriously... I didnt know that. Thanks for the info!
NHL Blackhawks? Never heard of them!
wow AV儿劣* you patrick sharp girlfriend nhl
Yes.He married a stunning Ukraine Model named "Notvery Klitschko" but she changed it after they got married to use his last name..I don't think that was wise on her part thoupatrick sharp girlfriend nhlgh.But being a model that name seems to fit cause she was never very smart.
I heard his "GIRLFRIEND" is actually Sean Avery
yes he is married
yes i guess so isnt that kid a little too young?
Really? Patrick Sharp is a hockey player? Seriously... I didnt know that. Thanks for the info!
NHL Blackhawks? Never heard of them!
wow AV儿劣* you patrick sharp girlfriend nhl
Yes.He married a stunning Ukraine Model named "Notvery Klitschko" but she changed it after they got married to use his last name..I don't think that was wise on her part thoupatrick sharp girlfriend nhlgh.But being a model that name seems to fit cause she was never very smart.
I heard his "GIRLFRIEND" is actually Sean Avery
yes he is married
yes i guess so isnt that kid a little too young?
bev land divorceIf enough people wanted to join me in creating an egalitarian community all of our own, would you join?
If we could find a nice area of land, and we were all skilled and educated people i.e. builders, doctors, musicians, cooks, cleaners etc... could we divorce ourselves from all of the world's systems and controls so we have nothing to do with them anymore? And would we bev under threat of invation by those who didn't want us to do this?
No, for two reasons.
1) The wrold has a way of finding you.
2) People still bring with them their prejudices and would the doctors sneer at the janitorial staff?
This is how th entire civilization started. This is how America started. But there are more failed experiements than successsful ones. And even if you consider today's America a successfull one, it is clealy not since you want to escape from it.
And what are your merits, or should I say, your community merits, if you take the best of today's society and reject the rest? Why not start over? And no matter if your project is successful, history also shown that communism doesn't work. Otherwise, what do you really mean by 'egalitarian'? Human are motivated to endeavor and produce only if they can personally and disproportionaly benefit from their work. Why should I work 10 hours a day and be paid exactly the same as a part time or and unemployed? Why should I wake up at 6 a.m. but eat the same quality and quality of food as someone who get up at noon?
Our current system is surely not perfect, we can always try to make it such. But your community, if not invaded from outside, will just succumb under its own weight. People will get demotivated from working, greed will take over few, the rest will feel abused, the feeling of unjustice will reign, then someone will come to ask "If enough people wanted to join me in creating an egalitarian community all of our own, would you join?"
Hasn't this already been tried and didn't they call it communism?
To answer your first question; the only way to divorce yourself from the world is if you could be 100% self-sufficent. This, I would suggest, is impossible.
To answer the second question; you'd only be invaded if the invaders would consider it worth their while to prosecute the invasion. Or to put it simply, if you've got something worth taking, unless you've got the means to stop them, some SOB is going to take it.
Sorry, mate, human nature.
There may be some out there that survive and they are never in the spotlight, but from these "communes" that have been, as the other person said, "collapse", and have very odd other "beliefs" aside from what you are suggesting. I don't know that we would be clearly "divorced" from the world's systems and controls because we buy some farmland that's all our own and live in a commune. I would not join as I am not a "clique" type person in any form.
Interesting suggestion, bud!
But, how would you overcome the negative experiences of previous attempts?
While it is an attractive idea, you might be better off asking others to contribute to the writing of a basic constitution that gives everyone an idea of their place within this 'new society' as an individual and her / his rights.
What happens to the disabled? Where would you draw the lines between skilled and educated?
Of course, I would like to be a part of something entirely different, but that change could only appeal to me if I found the community's ethics and practises appealing enough to leave my current life behind entirely.
so you want to include only skilled and educated people? bev land divorce What would your opinion be of the unskilled and not so well educated? Who would you include? Who would you exclude? The disabled? What is needed is a more open society not a closed one as you suggest. If you shut yourself up in 'ivory towers' it would be far from egalitarian. What will you do to your offspring that don't reach your standards?? Kill them as a 'final solution' ??
If you are unhappy with the present society, then change your attitudes towards it, then perhaps your neighbours. You only have to look at history to see how well off we are compared to other epochs of time.
What is needed is a more open society, not little enclaves of closed societies. That turn into warring tribes.
If you don't want to be next to someone in the gutter perhaps you should spend more time raising him up from his position, instead of walking away to some ivory tower.
'We may be in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars!!! (oscar wilde I think)
NO, why.
Because unless most were under some type, of Hallucinogenic.
You would have discontent arising, out of the combination. It may start with Doctor A doesn't like what Builder O, is doing.
By trying to make Scotch, instead of some form of Ancient
Herbal Remedy for the Common Cold.
And it would escalate from their, up to a point where you'd have one part of the community backing BuilderO and one part backing DoctorA and one part not really caring who'se right, but.
Will choose sides anyway and thus you'd have an initially harmonious community, degenerating into World War 325, very easily
for all the people who use the examples of communism as a means of refuting, I disagree! An egalitarian society didn't cause communist countries to implode! Communism and egalitarianism are two very different things. Classic Marxism and communism is supposed to incorporate equality into their ideology but if you take a look at Soviet communism you will find that equality was not present very much in their policies. You say 'egalitarian society' and people automatically interpret it as 'evil', 'pinko' communism for some reason. I think your idea is beautiful, though extremely idealistic. I would be skeptical to join I have to admit. People who hate anything to do with the left of the spectrum would shun us I suppose, and probably see us as a communism threat and freak, but that's kinda cold war-ish and hopefully we've all learned from that...sorry for rambling
Thanks, but no.
The concept sounds appealing, no doubt. However, in practice much of the same society would be replicated in the new one.
Having professions as you listed, would automatically provide a status system. Would the cook be equal to the doctor and earn the same money, or would their be an imposed class structure to begin with.
Would the society be prepared to forgo individual rights for society's rights to maintain an egalitarian system even if the individual's rights were violated.
YES! If you could find nice land, and could convince skilled people to move there, and could find some way to get rid of the rest of the worlds ties and involvement, and live without threats of invasion then what the hell are we waiting for? The sooner we get away from those who would say 'no' the better. BUT such is very hard to achieve. On paper it looks and sounds good, but there are always bloody complications like split families and we would need allies to help us in famines and other natural disasters .
Tell me the moment you find a suitable place!!!
Sounds like wbev land divorcehat modern day society deems a "cult", needless to say it would be threatened by all the surrounding close-minded, pompous individuals who deem themselves worthier than everybody else and have nothing to do, but mess with other people to build up their own ego's. Sounds wonderfully idealistic.
YES!
I am so sick and tired of my life.
YES, YES, YES!
I wished we could do that. Really. I would to turn off all my life and get a new one. I would like to be a full-time pianist. I'm 14 so I have to study hard and I can't play the piano as much as I wished I could.
If someday you find that 'nice area of land', tell me something, okay? I really wanna go.
musicians lol skilled and educated. Is this a joke? husbands are builders, wives are nurses I thought you wanted a kind of freedom from western society. I suppose we all have to load up half a dozen 4x4's or something and take enough food to last us until such times as the corn grows. Once you start poaching land you'd be peppered with shot and arrested.
You propose a Eutopian Community.
They've been tried before with vaying degres of success.
Any insular community will always be regarded with
some suspicion and resentment by its neighbors.
(Its insularity being a rejection of the outside and its
values, it would be foolish to expect otherwise.)
Before I'd consider joining any such endeavor,
I'd have to know it REALLY well.
You couldn't be divorced from the entire rest of the world. even the successful communes still must have some interaction with the government (unless they want to get raided for tax evasion.)
It sounds pretty good to me. You might have better luck joining an already existing community, though.
That has been tried before, usually by small groups. Capitalism (the police) always trashes the camp, destroys the crops, sometimes killing a member or two and forces the remaining members to rejoin the capitalist society. We are all free, as long as we do 'exactly' what we are told to do.
I'd join any society of that nature.
Just think, a society where money is meaningless; we could actually evolve!
No, all those experiments failed in the USA because they ignored the fundamental delusions that plague even the best intended. There are people whi are truly good, but they are not enough to enable survival of a commune. Read some history of communes.
Sealand's up for sale - you could buy that.
You can't form an egalitarian community on the basis of elitism.
These utopias always implode from within. Eventually, human nature takes over and things go sour. Still, it's a lovely thought.
Whenever somebody tries this, the entire society collapses.
Wishful thinking, eh?
Yeh, i'd definately join.
Sure but we would eventually be invaded and murdered
yes if;
a) it wasn't a cult
b) I could have acool job that gave me my own car
c) I got a cool uniform
It doesn't appeal to me. There are many people I know who wouldn't fit in
and that would be a loss - (off to read some more about Karl Popper)
No, I love America and believe in her laws.
No.
No, thanks.
Been there, done that.
Waste of time.
NO!! I'm on my own ego trip.
Sounds good to me =]
No, for two reasons.
1) The wrold has a way of finding you.
2) People still bring with them their prejudices and would the doctors sneer at the janitorial staff?
This is how th entire civilization started. This is how America started. But there are more failed experiements than successsful ones. And even if you consider today's America a successfull one, it is clealy not since you want to escape from it.
And what are your merits, or should I say, your community merits, if you take the best of today's society and reject the rest? Why not start over? And no matter if your project is successful, history also shown that communism doesn't work. Otherwise, what do you really mean by 'egalitarian'? Human are motivated to endeavor and produce only if they can personally and disproportionaly benefit from their work. Why should I work 10 hours a day and be paid exactly the same as a part time or and unemployed? Why should I wake up at 6 a.m. but eat the same quality and quality of food as someone who get up at noon?
Our current system is surely not perfect, we can always try to make it such. But your community, if not invaded from outside, will just succumb under its own weight. People will get demotivated from working, greed will take over few, the rest will feel abused, the feeling of unjustice will reign, then someone will come to ask "If enough people wanted to join me in creating an egalitarian community all of our own, would you join?"
Hasn't this already been tried and didn't they call it communism?
To answer your first question; the only way to divorce yourself from the world is if you could be 100% self-sufficent. This, I would suggest, is impossible.
To answer the second question; you'd only be invaded if the invaders would consider it worth their while to prosecute the invasion. Or to put it simply, if you've got something worth taking, unless you've got the means to stop them, some SOB is going to take it.
Sorry, mate, human nature.
There may be some out there that survive and they are never in the spotlight, but from these "communes" that have been, as the other person said, "collapse", and have very odd other "beliefs" aside from what you are suggesting. I don't know that we would be clearly "divorced" from the world's systems and controls because we buy some farmland that's all our own and live in a commune. I would not join as I am not a "clique" type person in any form.
Interesting suggestion, bud!
But, how would you overcome the negative experiences of previous attempts?
While it is an attractive idea, you might be better off asking others to contribute to the writing of a basic constitution that gives everyone an idea of their place within this 'new society' as an individual and her / his rights.
What happens to the disabled? Where would you draw the lines between skilled and educated?
Of course, I would like to be a part of something entirely different, but that change could only appeal to me if I found the community's ethics and practises appealing enough to leave my current life behind entirely.
so you want to include only skilled and educated people? bev land divorce What would your opinion be of the unskilled and not so well educated? Who would you include? Who would you exclude? The disabled? What is needed is a more open society not a closed one as you suggest. If you shut yourself up in 'ivory towers' it would be far from egalitarian. What will you do to your offspring that don't reach your standards?? Kill them as a 'final solution' ??
If you are unhappy with the present society, then change your attitudes towards it, then perhaps your neighbours. You only have to look at history to see how well off we are compared to other epochs of time.
What is needed is a more open society, not little enclaves of closed societies. That turn into warring tribes.
If you don't want to be next to someone in the gutter perhaps you should spend more time raising him up from his position, instead of walking away to some ivory tower.
'We may be in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars!!! (oscar wilde I think)
NO, why.
Because unless most were under some type, of Hallucinogenic.
You would have discontent arising, out of the combination. It may start with Doctor A doesn't like what Builder O, is doing.
By trying to make Scotch, instead of some form of Ancient
Herbal Remedy for the Common Cold.
And it would escalate from their, up to a point where you'd have one part of the community backing BuilderO and one part backing DoctorA and one part not really caring who'se right, but.
Will choose sides anyway and thus you'd have an initially harmonious community, degenerating into World War 325, very easily
for all the people who use the examples of communism as a means of refuting, I disagree! An egalitarian society didn't cause communist countries to implode! Communism and egalitarianism are two very different things. Classic Marxism and communism is supposed to incorporate equality into their ideology but if you take a look at Soviet communism you will find that equality was not present very much in their policies. You say 'egalitarian society' and people automatically interpret it as 'evil', 'pinko' communism for some reason. I think your idea is beautiful, though extremely idealistic. I would be skeptical to join I have to admit. People who hate anything to do with the left of the spectrum would shun us I suppose, and probably see us as a communism threat and freak, but that's kinda cold war-ish and hopefully we've all learned from that...sorry for rambling
Thanks, but no.
The concept sounds appealing, no doubt. However, in practice much of the same society would be replicated in the new one.
Having professions as you listed, would automatically provide a status system. Would the cook be equal to the doctor and earn the same money, or would their be an imposed class structure to begin with.
Would the society be prepared to forgo individual rights for society's rights to maintain an egalitarian system even if the individual's rights were violated.
YES! If you could find nice land, and could convince skilled people to move there, and could find some way to get rid of the rest of the worlds ties and involvement, and live without threats of invasion then what the hell are we waiting for? The sooner we get away from those who would say 'no' the better. BUT such is very hard to achieve. On paper it looks and sounds good, but there are always bloody complications like split families and we would need allies to help us in famines and other natural disasters .
Tell me the moment you find a suitable place!!!
Sounds like wbev land divorcehat modern day society deems a "cult", needless to say it would be threatened by all the surrounding close-minded, pompous individuals who deem themselves worthier than everybody else and have nothing to do, but mess with other people to build up their own ego's. Sounds wonderfully idealistic.
YES!
I am so sick and tired of my life.
YES, YES, YES!
I wished we could do that. Really. I would to turn off all my life and get a new one. I would like to be a full-time pianist. I'm 14 so I have to study hard and I can't play the piano as much as I wished I could.
If someday you find that 'nice area of land', tell me something, okay? I really wanna go.
musicians lol skilled and educated. Is this a joke? husbands are builders, wives are nurses I thought you wanted a kind of freedom from western society. I suppose we all have to load up half a dozen 4x4's or something and take enough food to last us until such times as the corn grows. Once you start poaching land you'd be peppered with shot and arrested.
You propose a Eutopian Community.
They've been tried before with vaying degres of success.
Any insular community will always be regarded with
some suspicion and resentment by its neighbors.
(Its insularity being a rejection of the outside and its
values, it would be foolish to expect otherwise.)
Before I'd consider joining any such endeavor,
I'd have to know it REALLY well.
You couldn't be divorced from the entire rest of the world. even the successful communes still must have some interaction with the government (unless they want to get raided for tax evasion.)
It sounds pretty good to me. You might have better luck joining an already existing community, though.
That has been tried before, usually by small groups. Capitalism (the police) always trashes the camp, destroys the crops, sometimes killing a member or two and forces the remaining members to rejoin the capitalist society. We are all free, as long as we do 'exactly' what we are told to do.
I'd join any society of that nature.
Just think, a society where money is meaningless; we could actually evolve!
No, all those experiments failed in the USA because they ignored the fundamental delusions that plague even the best intended. There are people whi are truly good, but they are not enough to enable survival of a commune. Read some history of communes.
Sealand's up for sale - you could buy that.
You can't form an egalitarian community on the basis of elitism.
These utopias always implode from within. Eventually, human nature takes over and things go sour. Still, it's a lovely thought.
Whenever somebody tries this, the entire society collapses.
Wishful thinking, eh?
Yeh, i'd definately join.
Sure but we would eventually be invaded and murdered
yes if;
a) it wasn't a cult
b) I could have acool job that gave me my own car
c) I got a cool uniform
It doesn't appeal to me. There are many people I know who wouldn't fit in
and that would be a loss - (off to read some more about Karl Popper)
No, I love America and believe in her laws.
No.
No, thanks.
Been there, done that.
Waste of time.
NO!! I'm on my own ego trip.
Sounds good to me =]
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